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Beacon City Council Meeting tonight!

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Beacon City Council Meeting tonight!

Time: November 9, 2010 from 7pm to 9pm
Location: Beacon City Hall
Street: 9D in Beacon (end of Main Street)
City/Town: Beacon
Event Type: city, council, meeting
Organized By: Steve Knowles
Latest Activity: Nov 23, 2010

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This may be the last chance to make a stand against the ridiculous recycling plant being pushed through by our wonderful elected officials in Beacon. They went out of their way to overrule an existing restriction against recycling plants in the area planned for it. Recycling is great, but the operation is INDUSTRIAL, involving at least 20 round trip diesel truck trips in Beacon PER HOUR! The tons, yes tons, of air pollution, not to mention noise and traffic congestion make this possibly the worst idea I've seen since I moved to Beacon 11 years ago. Diesel truck engines are probably the worst air polluters on roads. The particulate air pollution alone is reason enough to stop this. There is already a recycling center in Orange County. A location along route 9, if a new plant is even needed, would be sensable. The good things that have been done in Beacon the past ten years could be severely, negatively, affected by this operation. And you know with all things like this, the bad aspects being reported now, will pale in comparison to the reality once it gets going.

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Comment by Steve Knowles on November 23, 2010 at 4:08pm
I was yelling at the neighbor as the cop was leaving. I was not yelling at the cop, and it was pretty obvious I was yelling at the neighbor.
Comment by Steve Knowles on November 23, 2010 at 4:06pm
Unfortunately, despite the logic of more people meaning a lower tax burden per person/household, has it ever worked out that way anywhere? If this theory were true, New York City would have the lowest taxes in the country. Unfortunately, the "government is the cure for everything" people seize upon any new tax revenue, and not only spend it, but devise new programs and new ways to spend, resulting in even greater tax needs. Just look at the foolishness of the geniuses involved with Beacon's finances, everyone and my cat knew the real estate bubble was going to pop, yet they bases their revenues on the over-inflated real estate market. And now, rather than fire a few people in town, or cut back in other expenses, they want to increase taxes a measly little 19% (or whatever the latest estimate is). I love the claims that decreasing the police department numbers will make Beacon dangerous. What a laugh! Open drug sales go on in Beacon all the time (although they seemed to have gotten a little more thoughtful lately, perhaps only dealing on certain days of the month), and what is done about it? Nothing! But drive around with a broken tail light, or don't come to a complete stop at an intersection, and it's all out law enforcement!

Of course now, I'm open to total harassment by the Beacon police, but we need to all speak up about the keystone cops. (I was once a half second from being strong armed to the ground by a Beacon cop because I yelled at a neighbor who had just experienced the 2nd or 3rd drug-related incident, and I told them the residents of our neighborhood had had enough of the drugs. The cop got in my face and said, "Don't you ever interfere with a drug investigation!", while the paramedics stood a short distance away, and likely would have said nothing had the guy brought me to the ground. Until I moved to Beacon, I had never had a single problem with any law enforcement officer ANYWHERE!, and yet, I have had at least 3 distasteful incidents with them since I moved here 10 years ago.
Comment by Ben Royce on November 23, 2010 at 2:12pm
Henry: I'm just pissed at the taxes. Apologies for the foaming at the mouth.
Comment by Henry on November 23, 2010 at 1:17pm
Our cup runneth over?
Comment by Ben Royce on November 23, 2010 at 12:34pm
Steve: we're not a suburb, we're a small city. The problem is not that we are being overdeveloped, the problem is that some people here think we are living in the Adirondacks.

My taxes are very high. Mainly because we are shouldering services for a small city that has too much underdeveloped and underutilized properties and land and industrial relics. We can cut services to lower taxes. Or we can increase the number of shoulders bearing the burden. Therefore, we develop.

Beacon is not a quaint industrial archeology site. Beacon is a small city, and it has to start acting more like a small city if we are ever going to relax this tax burden.

To people who oppose growth or want low density growth, I say this: If you want to live in a sleepy suburb, move to a sleepy suburb. If you want to live in the Adirondacks, move to the Adirondacks. But you live in the CITY of Beacon. You need to understand that when you derive your opinions about growth. And we obviously need growth to relieve these tax burdens, to increase Main Street shoppers, to realize effective transportation, etc.

Yes, we need more services with more growth: more transportation, a new sewage treatment plant, more cops, etc. But the increase costs of these services is more than outweighed by the much larger increase in new sources of revenue from more and denser residents and businesses. A huge increase in shoulders, carrying only a modestly increased burden, results in a lower tax bill.

So: growth, growth, growth. Frankly, low density development is not possible. Because my taxes are too damn high, and I do not want to pay high taxes for the sake of someone's theories. I need tax relief, so we are not going to have low density development, we are going to have high density development, because we live in a city. A city. The city of Beacon.

Furthermore, this is not some monstrous warping of the nature of Beacon, this is a return to the glory days. There used to be a trolley on Main Street. The city used to extend all the way to the river before "ubran renewal". Factories everywhere. Look at some historical photos: I've seen one shot of Wolcott/ Beekman/ Main that looks like downtown Manhattan. High density is our past, and high density is our future. We are a confluence of river, train, and highway. There is much excitement and interest in Beacon. Other places in the USA only wish they could tap this interest for growth to solve its financial problems.

So no, I'm sorry, it is just too expensive to preserve Beacon as a rustic rotting industrial relic. Main Street is suffering for business, and my taxes are too high. So we are going to return Beacon to its golden age: develop, develop, develop. High density, 11 story buildings at the T.O.D., high density on Fishkill creek: yes, yes, yes.
Comment by Steve Knowles on November 23, 2010 at 11:54am
Well, well, well

The plot thickens.

How many people in Beacon know that the city sewage treatment plant is just about at capacity, and that the proposed re-cycling center may be the tipping point (or just short of it), such that a new sewage treatment plant will have to be built, at significantly more cost per taxpayer than the meager savings per taxpayer that this plant will bring in?


Also...what would be the cost to the city if the residents adjacent to the facility sue the city due to adverse health effects of living next to it?

Just remember, all too many involved with the real estate market in Beacon don't care about long-term effects of their "build everywhere" mentality, they only care about the sales they can make today. The planning board that approved this facility seem to have that mentality.
Comment by Steve Knowles on November 10, 2010 at 11:40am
Thanks for the clarification. I was sitting in the back and couldn't read the names of the people up front.

I live at the other side of Beacon, so this project won't affect me as much as those who live nearby, but I still think it is moving along too fast.
Comment by Henry on November 10, 2010 at 11:34am
Steve,
Last night's meeting was a planning board meeting not a council meeting. The members of the planning board are appointed and are not our elected officials.
Comment by Steve Knowles on November 9, 2010 at 9:53pm
Well, so much for that meeting! There was just a short segment on the greenway trail associated with the recycling plant, but nothing on the facility itself. Apparently, the public hearing was last week, so that's it. It's a done deal. One councilman is opposed and voiced his opposition "for the record", and received applause from many who were there thinking they could say something about it. Classic case of elected officials pushing something through that they knew would receive opposition.

I still know a way to ensure it doesn't get out of hand, and is reasonably run, but I don't want to discuss that here. I can hopefully get the lone councilman to take my ideas up.
Comment by Steve Knowles on November 9, 2010 at 11:26am
Regardless of what we think, I believe it should be put to a vote by the citizens of Beacon. I believe any significant issue, financial or otherwise, should be voted on. The elected officials should make decisions on their own in regard to day-to-day functions of government, but I believe major impacts to the citizens should receive a vote by the citizens. The funding for the new library is a past example where voters were given the opportunity to have their say, and they said "NO".

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